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PasadenaNow Outsources Local News Coverage UPDATED

Yes, you heard that right. Our very own Pasadena Now has outsourced its local news coverage to India. No, I kid you not. The news is spreading, fast (hell, it's already in Boston).

Before I launch into a curmudgeonly tirade about the downfall of local journalism, let's give James Macpherson a chance to make his point, as quoted by the AP:

James Macpherson, editor and publisher of the two-year-old Web site pasadenanow.com, acknowledged it sounds strange to have journalists in India cover news in this wealthy city just outside Los Angeles.

But he said it can be done from afar now that weekly Pasadena City Council meetings can be watched over the Internet. And he said the idea makes business sense because of India’s lower labor costs.

"I think it could be a significant way to increase the quality of journalism on the local level without the expense that is a major problem for local publications," said the 51-year-old Pasadena native. "Whether you’re at a desk in Pasadena or a desk in Mumbai, you’re still just a phone call or e-mail away from the interview."


That's true, to a certain degree. The type of journalistic coverage Macpherson is talking about really could be done by someone in another country, largely because their "coverage" often consists of little more than glorified press releases and parroting of the local media.

To be sure, there's a lot of good work that can be done online. Lord knows the majority of our information comes to us online and we depend upon the web as invaluable research tool. But there are clear limits to using the internet to report on local news and politics.

At the least, it would be very difficult to understand the issues Pasadena faces, from a development perspective, without having your feet on the ground, without walking the streets of Pasadena. To understand why Robin Salzer and Jacque Robinson both emphasized neighborhood security in their campaigns, it helps a lot to walk up and down the streets north of the 210, just to get a feel for the neighborhood. And it's difficult to imagine anyone being able to offer original content on the renovation of Pasadena's City Hall without ever being able to visit.

Of course, that's not to stay that the state of local journalism in Pasadena and the Foothill Cities is just hunky dory. If anything, McPherson's decision demonstrates that the opposite is the case. Expectations for local reporting are such that it's not beyond the pale for him to hire someone in India. And as the proliferation of a local blogosphere demonstrates, from the Claremont Insider to your very own Foothill Cities, there are a lot of folks who want more.

Local journalism is entering into a tumultous transitional stage. From part-time bloggers like ourselves to the full-time efforts like Pasadena Now to the Pasadena Star-News, everyone is trying to figure out just what niche they can carve out, how they can contribute to local news coverage and debate, and (perhaps most importantly) how they can make a buck. How it will end up is anyone's guess, but we certainly doubt that it will end up in India.

One final ironic note: from what we can tell, this eminently local story was picked up by, of all people, an Associated Press reporter—not the local press. In other words, as things stand the local media already often takes its cue from outsiders. We don't fault MacPherson for simply being logical given the sorry state of local reporting, but clearly this isn't carrying the ball forward—its simply accepting the sad state of the status quo.

UPDATE:
Props to Kevin Roderick for the link. As he notes, the AP report was also printed in the SF Chronicle, which reveals that "Associated Press Writer Matthew Rosenberg in New Delhi, India, contributed to this report." It also links to the original craigslist advertisement, which says:

We seek one to two 500-word articles each day Monday through Friday (depending on news that is occuring) PLUS two weekly in-depth Special Reports which focus on the City Council's weekly Council Meeting ... The Council meeting is televised on the Internet.
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We do not believe that geographic distance betwen California and India will present unsurmountable problems, and that working together with you will result in your development of a keen working knowledge of this City's affairs. This will result in accurate and authoritative News reports.

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Anonymous said...

I think it's a person who is angling for publicity and is getting it. Outsourcing parts of a newspaper/web edition is probably fine, but local reporting from afar seems counterproductive. Many times you learn more by having a cup of coffee with a city staffer or gadfly than you ever would just watching a city council video. It's like going to a press conference;all the real juice is behind the curtain.
Having said that, good luck the guy, the problem with local reporting is that there is not enough of it, so the more the merrier.

Anonymous said...

sad day for journalism and democracy. the thought of local reporters stationed in INDIA makes me physically ill.

Anonymous said...

How about outsourcing the news to blogers? FC are you up to the task?

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Anonymous said...

Please ... reporters, generally, must be visible in their communities.

People in India can't do it, and neither can FC.

FC guys are more about opinion/analysis. They fail miserably when tackling real news (see Pomona city manager debacle).

Have either of them even made a phone call? I doubt it!

Centinel said...

Anonymous said...

People in India can't do it, and neither can FC.

FC guys are more about opinion/analysis. They fail miserably when tackling real news (see Pomona city manager debacle).


I agree. Frankly, we couldn't do it. But also, we're just interested citizens working on a part-time basis (very part-time sadly). We can contribute something in the way of opining and probing some of the deeper issues. We also offer a forum for people to voice their sentiments, discontent, and, yes, even allegations, though there are many claims we thought were utterly baseless or too tendentious to publish.

In the case of the Pomona charges, there was enough of an independent groundswell to merit a public airing of the issue. At the very least, it's a story that the Pomona city staffers are desperately stabbing their retiring boss in the back. At most, who knows?

Have we ever lifted the phone and called someone? Sure, all the time...but you can better your dollar that no one on the other end hears, "Hi, it's Centinel calling." What name they do hear, I couldn't tell you.

But like I said, ultimately, we can do the job of reporters. So, we offer what we can and hope that we provide some kind of a service that folks find worthwhile.

Centinel said...

Additionally, I think "edward" really nailed a big part of this issue on the head.

I think it's a person who is angling for publicity and is getting it. Outsourcing parts of a newspaper/web edition is probably fine, but local reporting from afar seems counterproductive. Many times you learn more by having a cup of coffee with a city staffer or gadfly than you ever would just watching a city council video. It's like going to a press conference;all the real juice is behind the curtain.

And definitely, the more local reporting, the better.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, for some reason, my tag didn't link to my comment.
Edward

Publius said...

As Centinel says, we would never claim to be reporters. We wouldn't have anything to talk about if it weren't for reporters. It is true that we do more opinion and analysis, but we also put lots of things together that you otherwise wouldn't find in one place. And other stuff. Its kind of hard to say what we "do."

BUT, that being said, I do think that local and all journalism is changing:

1) in some ways back to something more like what you might find at the time of the founding (explicitly partisan press, a wider variety of things spoken of in the papers, more entertaining and opinionated articles, etc.)

2) in some ways an entirely new thing

#) in some ways its not changing at all, but merely using new technology.

So that was vague. Maybe more later in another post.

Thing is, there is little doubt that someone in India could probably do as well or better of lots of local city council coverage nationwide. Papers often don't have the time or resources. Does every city council in the FC have a reporter at every meeting, throughout every meeting?

Anonymous said...

I've been to LOTS of Monrovia school board meetings and have never, ever seen a Star-News reporter. So while I agree that local journalism can be better done in person, actually going to the meetings, that is not being done in a lot of cases, so I would prefer to have it be done not-quite-as-well as having it not done at all.

Anonymous said...

The "Four Hour Work Week" book/blog's segment on "outsourcing your life" [link] is bearing fruit (sweet? rotten? sour? bruised?) in Macpherson's great web adventure.

(4 hr work week: productivity and lifestyle meme in the techy blogosphere that's in nascent stages of "oh, wow, look at that!")

[disclosure: I've met Macpherson at two of Jills' blogger events, the most recent was last weekend; I have no idea if he's heard of Tim Ferriss, author of the 4 hr work week.]

One thing's for sure. The notion of "Local news" that's, well, outsourced so far away, is distasteful.

Then again, I was way the heck impressed with the way that an American expat in Australia uncovered all kinds of tidbits about the Ferrarri crash incident and its ties to Monrovia-based SGV Transit authority. Followup free forall took place closer to home on my site and in the comments.

darleene said...

So if people are picketing outside the council chambers, how are folks in India supposed to know?

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As the outsourcing frenzy gains momentum across America, I say take it one step further; outsource all the CEO’s of American Corporations, the savings would impact the bottom line of every stock in a positive way.

No need for golden parachutes, no massive payouts for bringing companies too their knees, and a new CEO could be brought in at no cost.

If my encounters with India over the telephone for assistance are used as a gauge, I will not understand much of what is written by the distant writers.

Unknown said...

I think it's a fascinating idea. Good point, Susan. Also, I think it's important to note that nobody's being laid off or replaced by journalists in India -- these are new reporting positions being adding. I'm interested in seeing how this works. Coverage from afar based on info available on the internet might work well in conjunction with reporting by locals. I think it can only work if the mix is predominantly local.

Here's my post about it:
http://eyelevelpasadena.wordpress.com/2007/05/10/pasadenanowcom-hires-two-reporters-in-india-to-help-cover-pasadena-news-eye-level-pasadena-approves/

Unknown said...

I mean "being added".

larry said...

thanks for the excellent reporting and commentary. for more (can't speak to the excellent part), you might see my column in today's star-news, and alex pham's story in today's times business section. one small point: the ap did not get this story by beating the bushes (or even getting a tip) locally. one of its new delhi correspondents saw it on the craigslist for india, not a site i find myself perusing much for pasadena news. larry wilson, editor, pasadena star-news

Anonymous said...

In far away distance plant I commented the following and Centinel, pointed me here !! :)-

I Blame Centinel for the chaos I will be causing ..heheheh

"I mean there can’t be a double std , just because its a US based publication and the off shoring is done in India. What about reuter.uk having canadian writers for their UK operations ?

I mean is it ok to outsource to Canadians but not to Indians ??"

Having said that , the world is flat and I agree with James, a reporter is only an IM /Phone Call away from an interview. So what is the big deal ??

"it would be very difficult to understand the issues Pasadena faces, from a development perspective, without having your feet on the ground, without walking the streets of Pasadena."

Why is it difficult to understand ?? I think that' just your opinion . A good blogger / reporter can ferret out information.

"One final ironic note: from what we can tell, this eminently local story was picked up by, of all people, an Associated Press reporter—not the local press. "

Was not that reporter actually from Canada ... ?? j/kidden

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Please......for the love of Journalism.....let's hope this will not happen....

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I agree with /pd.

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